Bob Fu interviewed by Radio Taiwan International

Photo: Bob Fu, President of ChinaAid Association, visited Taiwan (ChinaAid)


(Taiwan – November 21, 2022) Bob Fu, President of ChinaAid Association, and his delegation in Taiwan accepted an exclusive interview on the Radio Taiwan International’s “Serving the People” focus interview program with radio host Dr. Sen-hong Yang.  


ChinaAid has transcribed and translated the audio recording of the interview below: 


Dr. Sen-Hong Yang: The guest of today’s focus interview is Rev. Bob Fu, president of the U.S. organization ChinaAid Association. The 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China was held at the end of October. Xi Jinping continued his third term as General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China as he wished, and the new Politburo Standing Committee members are all on his team. And the political report he made also declared that he would move further in the direction of control and dictatorship. As early as 2018, Xi Jinping amended the constitution to remove the term limit for the chairman of the country. In addition, after he came to power, his actions in various fields such as human rights, economy and trade, science and technology, and diplomacy have alerted the United States in its past presumptions of China’s policies, which in terms of diplomacy means unifying China to weaken the power of the Soviet Communist bloc based on the consideration of the overall strategic situation. In addition, “With the development of China’s economy and the growth of the middle class, China will definitely become more and more like the progressive civilization of the West,” however, these expectations become unlikely with the close integration of China and Russia, and with the hope of China’s democratization becoming increasingly dimmer, a series of measures have been taken to reverse this situation. As the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China was held, Xi Jinping’s dictatorial path was more clearly revealed. Under such circumstances, how will the United States’ China policy be presented? Today’s program interviews Rev. Bob Fu to discuss his observations. He has been observing this very carefully since 2000, and his predictions have also been very accurate. 



Yang: The following focus interview is Rev. Bob Fu, President of ChinaAid Association based in the U.S. Hello, Rev. Fu, today’s interview is not on the phone, but live from Taiwan. I am very glad that you can come on-site. This time, after COVID-19, you finally broke through the pandemic and came to Taiwan, and accepted our interview as soon as you arrived in Taiwan, which is wonderful. The U.S. government is actually paying close attention to the holding of the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China. I have read a lot of relevant analysis reports, including some arrangements for human affairs and some policy directions. Generally speaking, Rev. Fu, how do you observe the National Congress (20th) this time round? 



Rev. Bob Fu: I think the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China indicates that Xi Jinping’s title of “Chief Accelerator” is not in vain. This is him greatly pushing forward the process of accelerating the demise of the Communist Party of China. To let the international community have a clearer perspective and understanding of the regime under the leadership of Xi Jinping: in his 25,000-word political report, he basically replaced the traditional reform and opening up with the so-called great struggle and replaced the open economy with so-called political security and internal circulation. So it can be said to be the official stage of the “Cultural Revolution 2.0.” In addition to the authoritarianism of the pandemic, it used to be red guards, but it is now “white guards.” He has gotten even more powerful now. On the second day after the 20th Communist Party Congress, he led his “Xi family army” to the cave-dwelling where Mao Zedong and Jiang Qing used to live. That was the place where the CCP first established the title of the great leader for dictator Mao, similar to when Kim Jong-un of North Korea rode a white horse to Mount Paektu to make a new pilgrimage; China is about to officially enter into North Koreanization.  


*Editor’s note: White guards refer to those personnel who are in charge of COVID control prevention measures in China. They wore white hazmat suits and gained a reputation for their abuse of power.   



Yang: Rev. Fu, just now you mentioned “Cultural Revolution 2.0” meaning the handover a few months after the end of the 20th Communist Party Congress, right? After the handover, it will enter into a struggle. 



Fu: The actual struggle has already begun at the closing ceremony of the 20th Communist Party Congress. During the final announcements of the seven members of the Politburo Standing Committee, Xi took the former chairman and general secretary of the Communist Party of China, Hu Jintao, who supported Xi Jinping to power and forced him out of the venue. This is actually significant.  



Yang: Why is this? What’s going on? Why did Xi have to get Hu out of there? Hu can sit there and not speak, then it should be okay, right?  



Fu: From the perspective of the Communist Party’s culture, the key persons have made deals in secret; for example: Hu Jintao has already fully known Wang Yang and Li Keqiang would completely step down; this is to completely cooperate with Xi to act out this scene. But judging from the situation at the time, Hu Jintao’s actions seemed like he wanted to open the red file, he either wanted to see the contents inside, or he already felt that there was something amiss. He wanted to read it but he was not allowed to read it. Li Zhanshu immediately held it down, he did not allow Hu to see the documents in front of him, and Hu wanted to grab Xi Jinping’s file but was not allowed either. It can be seen from the video that Xi immediately directed the director of the general office and his bodyguards, and removed him from the venue. So this is the official dictatorship of the Xi era, just like the official staging of the “Cultural Revolution 2.0” of the Mao era. In effect, some experts on the Internet believe that the revised communist party constitution of the Communist Party of China that was later passed actually canceled the “Two Establishes.” This new version of the communist party’s constitution likely had been approved in the group meeting in advance, and if there is a certain turbulent undercurrent (hidden struggle) behind it, China’s internal strife will continue. 



Yang: It seems that Xi Jinping did not 100% reach his goals; most of them are achieved, but in the end, the most important “two establishes” are still uncertain. 



Fu: Was there still Peng Dehuai in the Mao era? Xi Baozi’s (steam bun) background and prestige are still different from Mao’s. He never fired a single shot or even bluffed to have fought for a liberated area. 



Yang: Yes, he is not mighty enough.  



Fu: He relies entirely on struggles, which is why he is called the great struggle, and foreign experts can see this too. 



Yang: Everyone interpreted that hidden struggles are raging inside, and the Youth League Faction has been wiped out. This time when Olaf Scholz, Chancellor of Germany, visited China, Li Keqiang met with the German Chancellor with ease. He even accompanied Scholz to hold a press conference, and he was not worried at all. It’s very interesting because he retired completely in a few months, and it seems that they are all watching Xi Jinping’s acting. How do you view this? A Summit of the seven major industrialized countries (G7), was held in Germany on October 3, and the participants included U.S. Secretary of State Blinken. When faced with questions about the Chinese camp, his actions became more and more apparent; the foreign ministers of various countries issued a joint statement on November 4, saying that they are ready to conduct constructive negotiations with China, and also reiterated that it is important to maintain peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. Put this matter in the most important position, and expressed concern about the continued infringement of Hong Kong’s freedom, and also expressed concern about the issues in Tibet and Xinjiang, and asked China to act according to its legal obligations in accordance with the international community’s commitments. What do you think of this kind of stance? 



Fu: The official communique of the G7 foreign ministers meeting mentioned two core international issues. The first issue is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the other issue is the Taiwan Strait. Secretary Blinken in particular hinted at this, and the other G7 countries have begun to be sober, especially to the understanding and policies of the Chinese Communist Party. During the German Chancellor’s 17-hour visit, he also specifically mentioned the Taiwan and Taiwan Strait issue, that the Chinese Communist Party cannot use force. He put forward two conditions, to negotiate peacefully and under the condition of mutual consent. The matter of the Taiwan Strait is a major issue. The issue of the Taiwan Strait is now a very significant international issue; it is equivalent to the issue of the war between Russia and Ukraine. The international community is very concerned about the direction of Xi Jinping’s dictatorship. According to the director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, our public statements have all mentioned the personality of Xi Jinping. Because he formed the Xi Family Army, they are extremely authoritarian, and the issue concerning the Taiwan Strait has become a center of attention! It is analyzed that he will not allow any dissenting voices, or for there to be any different tunes. Once he lives in the Eight Treasures Pagoda like Mao, he also does not want to hear different voices. If one day he listened to his own communist enthusiasm and suddenly thought that “I also want to erect a monument,” that means he really suddenly went crazy, and he might really make a crazy move (invade Taiwan). I feel like the step that Putin has taken was fundamentally because of Xi Jinping’s encouragement, it was obvious, he announced it the second day after he came back to Beijing. At the closing banquet in Beijing, he had a very close relationship with Xi Baozi and the Communist Party. 



Yang: So, Xi Jinping actually has a share in the bad things Putin did? 



Fu: Very much involved and a part of it!  



Yang: In fact, the G7 proposed very positively. What I want to discuss with you positively, is very interesting, did not discuss any negative things. In fact, after the report of the G7, immediately a future flashed in front of me. In the future, Taiwan and China will sit at the negotiating table to resolve matters, because it is at the request of the whole world. 



Fu: Yes, it has to be an internationalized issue.  



Yang: Like the North Korean issue, wasn’t it a Six-Party Talks? Besides North Korea and South Korea, are there other four countries? But now there is a G7, G7 plus China and Taiwan, there will be 9, and maybe other countries will join. I think it will be a Ten-Party Talks, and I think an international structure has been formed. In order for everyone to keep you, China must keep its word, so in the future, the 10-Party Talks will be about cross-strait relations.  



Fu: Yes, Because all ten parties have their own interests.  



Yang: Yes. Bob, do you remember that we co-authored an article published in the Washington Stand? We wrote an article “The Purpose of China’s Invasion in Taiwan Is to Cut the World’s Economic Bloodline.” 



Fu: Yes, the English title of the article is “The Purpose of China’s Invasion in Taiwan Is to Cut the World’s Economic Bloodline.” 



Yang: I believe Secretary Blinken saw it. 



Fu: Yes, definitely, that article caused a lot of echoes, the flow of U.S. economic GDP through the Taiwan Strait.  



Yang: He expanded the number we said. He may know more when it comes to the flow of economic GDP through the Taiwan Strait; we estimate it to be 3.5 to 4 billion, and he said it is half; I think our article had an impact on Blinken’s speech. Do you remember that time I went to the U.S.? Because I came from Taiwan, my American friend asked me if the Chinese Communist Party would invade Taiwan and asked Taiwanese people. [He asked,] “Are you ready?” Later, I used that article to tell the Americans that when such a large share of their GDP comes from the Taiwan Strait, if the Chinese Communist Party invades Taiwan, are you Americans ready? Your GDP is so high because it passes through the Taiwan Strait. If the Chinese Communist Party invades Taiwan, they will cut off this road. The real question is, are you Americans ready? The result was quite good; Blinken responded, and he expressed that he was ready. 



Fu: Tomorrow is the midterm election for the U.S. Congress, which is of great significance.  



Yang: Yes, of course, the Third Committee of the United Nations General Assembly in charge of human rights, will hold a debate on November 30th, including the United States; 50 countries will co-sign a statement signed during the U.N. debate on November 31st, to spur serious and systematic violations of human rights in China’s Xinjiang region. China was also at the meeting and received support from different countries. A total of 66 countries, like Cuba, stated that Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong were China’s internal affairs and opposed interference on human rights grounds. Then when it comes to this kind of situation, how would the United States handle it? Will the killer feature be brought up?  



Fu: I think that at the meeting of the U.N. Human Rights Council, the matter of Xinjiang was rejected by Western countries with a weak margin of two votes. The issue of Xinjiang genocide was put on hold, and the special report for the U.N. human rights envoy just wasn’t discussed. There should be the United States and some Western countries; some countries that defend universal values have used the mechanism of the United Nations General Assembly. Generally speaking, it is difficult for the Communist Party to completely control the mechanism of the United Nations General Assembly. 



Yang: Some of it can only control 67 countries. 



Fu: Yes.  



Yang: There are one hundred and ninety-plus countries in total; there are at least one hundred and forty-plus votes.  



Fu: Yes, this issue will be adopted at the U.N. General Assembly session. This is just like the Communist Party themselves said, they will hit themselves in the foot with the stone they lifted, and this time it will really be like this. 



Yang: What I am most concerned about is whether the past issue of live organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in Xinjiang will be brought up at this meeting because I think that is the real killer feature. As for the other 66 countries, some of them will abstain. If the Chinese Communist Party has committed crimes against humanity, it is tantamount to using massacres to obtain organs, that is a very, very scary thing. This is equivalent to a terrorist country. It should be brought up at that time. I don’t think there is any need to be polite. I think the U.S. government should have some relevant information and know about the heinous live organ harvesting  in Xinjiang done by the Chinese Communist Party.  



Fu: That is for sure, I remember what happened in Yugoslavia. After the United Nations finally determined that it relates to the crimes against humanity and genocide, they arrested their then president Milosevic to the court located in The Hague, Netherlands for trial. So I think If this Hitler II – “Xitler” continues to do this, it will be very difficult to escape, and there will be an international court to try him. I know that there is already a case that has been formally brought to the International Court of Justice. When I was in Washington, a British lawyer they have a team that had already sent this case to the International Court of Justice, accusing Xi Jinping of genocide; it has been filed in international courts. 



Yang: If the genocide was to bribe many international political dignitaries 

for the purpose of organ harvesting, those political leaders are actually guilty of the same crime. 



Fu: So we need everyone to reveal more evidence. 



Yang: If you go to China for an organ replacement, the life expectancy of the organ replacement is only 5 years. If you go there after 5 years, you will definitely be caught with evidence, and you will definitely not be able to escape. The presupposition that the United States interacts with China is the confrontation between the United States and the Soviet Union, as well as the internationalization of the sinicized economy. The past ten years since Xi Jinping came to power have been proven to be a false and wrong expectation; so what is everyone’s perception of Chinese people? When will we wake up from this illusion? 



Fu: You have probably also noticed that after China released the “Wuhan virus” to the whole world, it really gave the whole world a wake-up call. Because in the past, people at the grassroots level were not very familiar with the Chinese regime. In the international programs, maybe for five minutes, some of the situations in China were also reported. But this time, the “Wuhan virus” greatly spread to the Western countries, from the Norwegian countryside to the great cities of the U.K., and everyone suffered. So you can see that American public opinion has suddenly changed. More than 85% have no favorable opinion of China. Maybe this time, Xi Jinping has realized what he wanted – to lockdown the country, engage in internal circulation, and engage in the Cultural Revolution. He created a condition, and the consequence is that people all over the world are united to rise up against the Chinese Communist Party because the CCP is the embodiment of the virus. 



Yang: There is a recent report, the result of the report of the U.S. Senate shows: The virus came out of the Wuhan virus laboratory. As for whether it was accidental or intentional, where did it leave a question mark? It was determined that the virus came out of the Wuhan laboratory. He learned from the documents of the State Council of China and the Wuhan virus laboratory, and how the central government gave them instructions, also at each point in time when someone was sent. Their vaccines were released in two months, and it is a pity that Mr. Zhou, who was the first to make a vaccine, disappeared later, and may have been silenced. This report was reported in the most famous magazine in the United States. 



Fu: Therefore, its official text should come out after the U.S. election. This time, the new U.S. committee specifically mentioned the investigation of the reopening of virus traceability. 



Yang: In fact, the Hong Kong and Taiwan issues have to be reopened. If the G7 joins by then, the Chinese Communist Party will not be able to play tricks. In fact, there is now anti-American rhetoric in Taiwan. The reason why Taiwan is dragged into the battlefield is because of the United States’ intervention. It does not talk about how the Chinese Communist Party invaded Taiwan first; that is when the United States intervened. These are all tricks of the CCP. Xi Baozi is very simple-minded and very afraid, that’s why false rumors were created; Xi Jinping does not know that we still rely on the power of God. 



Fu: Thanks be to God! The Bible says that it is difficult to kick against the goads. It also says that he can establish a king or dethrone a king. Brothers and sisters, let’s also pray for him, hoping that Xi Jinping will also have the opportunity to repent. 



Yang: The bible says that he will prepare a table before us in the presence of our enemies, and God will prepare a table before us in the presence of Xi Jinping.  


~Gao Zhensai of ChinaAid  


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